Theorycrafting: Steve, the black-hearted mad genius

[CycloneSP]

Hey all, after much lurking and lots of time playing BTW, I feel like steve has taken on a unique personality all of his own. Judging from the numerous innuendos and inside jokes you guys have been using, I have come to this conclusion, Steve is a mad genius and an evil (primitive) scientist.

.... (I may have gotten some adjectives mixed up just now.)


So with that thought in mind, I've theory crafted some background to Steve, and I'd thought I'd share it to see how close I can come to what you guys (FC especially) think fits with BTW.

Facts:

Steve is brilliant: This goes without contest. Steve is able to think of complicated logic and architectural designs and construct them with little trouble.

Steve is strong: Super humanly so. He is capable of mining through stone with his own fist(albeit he gains nothing for doing so)

Steve is twisted: He gains pleasure out of watching mobs drop from great heights, be sawed to pieces, or even incinerated in insidious traps of his own making. He even gains joy out of torturing the local wildlife.

Steve is adept at the dark arts: He manages to build magic portals that gain him access to Hell(the nether) and he learns how to process and use the tortured souls he finds in that hellish land.

Conclusion:

Steve is a criminal.

Theory:

Back in Steve's homeland(where ever that may be) he was renowned as a dangerous person which consorted with the most devilish associates. He was brilliant, developing all sorts of contraptions to be used by the 'state.' However, his own ambitions got the better of him. Thinking he was strong enough to conquer his own world he set his nefarious plans into motion. Had it not been for an inside informant, he may have succeeded. However, he was taken captive before he ever started his grand scheme. Binding Steve with shackles created by none other than himself, he was tried by the state, and when found guilty of high treason, he was escorted to one of his experimental devices. After pushing many random buttons, one of Steve's persecutors activated the device to transport Steve to an alternate dimension, another plane of existences, to suffer indefinitely for his crimes. After hurling Steve into the portal, his persecutors destroyed the device causing Steve's undestined destination cause him to be thrown into the ender dragon's great mob trap of a world while preventing him any way to return. (or so they thought) Now trapped in the minecraft world, Steve has nothing but time to kill.... plotting his return, and his revenge. All while taking out his rage on the native creatures.


So, in summery, Steve is evil, Steve is brilliant, and Steve wants to go home.... and subjugate all that had oppressed him.


This is just a short theory. I'm sure you guys can fill the gaps with your own imagination.

[Thordan Ssoa]

-snippity-

So wait... We're playing the villain of the story? Sweet!

EDIT: Some much needed quote snippage.

[Joeyjoebob]

The "animals" in minecraft aren't technically living. I said it somewhere in another thread, but essentially the minecraftian animals don't have the traits of something that is alive, meaning that they are really just walking bags of resources.

[CycloneSP]

Hmm, interesting, please do go on.

Of course, I doubt Steve really cares what the difference is....

[Elevatator]

The "steve is evil" just applies for people who actually enjoy killing the cows, and putting their wolves into a dark chamber to poo. The "steve is trapped in a foreign dimension" explains his eternal respawning, the dragon can´t consume his soul, and so he just gets to the point he was spawned.

The "animals" in minecraft aren't technically living. I said it somewhere in another thread, but essentially the minecraftian animals don't have the traits of something that is alive, meaning that they are really just walking bags of resources.

Nope, they run away when hurt, trying to escape and SURVIVE, like animals do. And the fact that you can let them walk into a dark base where you here the sound of 20 cows or so, lets the cow think "awesome, new buddies and some wheat! I must have luck today!"

You can see using the souls from the nether as evil, because you destroy them in the process. But you can see it also as unbinding from the soul anus, that the nether is. Ok, he binds them again in the BD and the steel, but I think it´s no big deal. I don´t see it as evil soul harvesting, I see it just as harvesting ressources.
And Mob traps is killing the undead! So it is good too.
At the end I can say: Steve is just evil, if you are evil.

[FlowerChild]

Ok, he binds them again in the BD and the steel, but I think it´s no big deal. I don´t see it as evil soul harvesting, I see it just as harvesting ressources.

That level of self-justification is truly evil. Nice job :)

[Calcifire3691]

You can see using the souls from the nether as evil, because you destroy them in the process.

[fake sincerity] but we're freeing them from their hollow existence, trapped in the netherrack, surely leaving them there and not squashed together in a small jar would be more evil? [/fake sincerity]

[Joeyjoebob]

-snip-

The animals don't reproduce on their own, except the villagers of course. They require the outside influence of Steve through the use of wheat, something that doesn't grow naturally in Minecraft. Otherwise they just automatically spawn in the world, just like the trees and ore around you. They also will knowingly jump off cliffs and get caught in slow-moving water currents that run into sharp saws. Lastly, with the exclusion of sheep, they don't acquire sustenance on their own, which means they are either completely independent of their environments, or only eat when given food by Steve. Or they're plants or some shit.

[Azdoine]

I don´t see it as evil soul harvesting, I see it just as harvesting ressources.

Well, we are harvesting souls, there's no way you can avoid that bit, but-make note that the souls are in hell. Their very existense is torment. We're only releasing them from that.
Sure, they get trapped in a piece of metal, but at least they get to see the world. Better than hell, right?

Even if being bound is torment to the souls, then I don't see that as evil, either, because we're just profiting from the natural cycle and process. They were already in torment.

[DaveYanakov]

I don´t see it as evil soul harvesting, I see it just as harvesting ressources.

Well, we are harvesting souls, there's no way you can avoid that bit, but-make note that the souls are in hell. Their very existense is torment. We're only releasing them from that.
Sure, they get trapped in a piece of metal, but at least they get to see the world. Better than hell, right?

Even if being bound is torment to the souls, then I don't see that as evil, either, because we're just profiting from the natural cycle and process. They were already in torment.

So instead of leaving them in torment, you're going to torment and enslave them to an existence of endless toil. You're right, that's perfectly ok!

[Azdoine]

The souls aren't toiling. You're the one swinging the pickaxe.
I don't think the BD counts either, because it's controlled by redstone. The souls, in my opinion, are part of some sort of magical chemical reaction that allows for the block to be placed.

[CycloneSP]

Or they're plants or some shit.

Sir, I present to you mooshrooms. Your turn.

Oh yeah, wolves will also 'eat' sheep.

Well, we are harvesting souls, there's no way you can avoid that bit, but-make note that the souls are in hell. Their very existense is torment. We're only releasing them from that.
Sure, they get trapped in a piece of metal, but at least they get to see the world. Better than hell, right?

Even if being bound is torment to the souls, then I don't see that as evil, either, because we're just profiting from the natural cycle and process. They were already in torment.

I shall point you to the anime FMA and FMA:BrotherHood. As these can shed some light on tortured souls and the morality of such far better than I could myself.




But over all, I find it entertaining how the 'soul' focus of most of your comments are about the validity of Steve's 'evilness.' lol, very funny. :P

Yer not even bothering to deny any of his actions, just merely trying to justify them.... ya'll must be just as twisted! :P

[Azdoine]

Hah, I just started watching FMA: Brotherhood.
It's pretty good, but nothing about tortured souls (in the sense of soul-binding and the like) has come up yet.

[CycloneSP]

Oh ho, you shall see, you shall see. It gets real good. I personally enjoyed FMA better than brotherhood. I found FMA to be darker over all. But to enjoy both, you need to see each as a completely different anime all together.

[DaveYanakov]

The souls aren't toiling. You're the one swinging the pickaxe.
I don't think the BD counts either, because it's controlled by redstone. The souls, in my opinion, are part of some sort of magical chemical reaction that allows for the block to be placed.

So instead of enslaving them, you're consuming them? This is better?

[Elevatator]

The souls aren't toiling. You're the one swinging the pickaxe.
I don't think the BD counts either, because it's controlled by redstone. The souls, in my opinion, are part of some sort of magical chemical reaction that allows for the block to be placed.

So instead of enslaving them, you're consuming them? This is better?

We don´t consume them in any, unless Fc invents the ability to eat souls for breakfeast.
The souls in the BD are acting as a catalytic converter, the souls themselves are not consumed.

To non Netherrack souls:
When you melt down a enchanted tool (which are binded souls), you release the souls, and they get free, without getting consumed by the dragon, and so the don´t land in the nether. And if Fc adds the ability to use the netherrack souls for enchanting ( Arcane scroll as filter, enchantable item in inventory slot from hopper?), we could do the same for these souls.

[Joeyjoebob]

The souls aren't toiling. You're the one swinging the pickaxe.
I don't think the BD counts either, because it's controlled by redstone. The souls, in my opinion, are part of some sort of magical chemical reaction that allows for the block to be placed.

So instead of enslaving them, you're consuming them? This is better?

Is oblivion better than eternal torment? I'd say that's more of a personal question.

[FlowerChild]

We don´t consume them in any, unless Fc invents the ability to eat souls for breakfeast.

Oh no, you're consuming them.

You really feel the need to be the "good guy" don't you?

[Elevatator]

We don´t consume them in any, unless Fc invents the ability to eat souls for breakfeast.

Oh no, you're consuming them.

You really feel the need to be the "good guy" don't you?

Someone must be the good guy.
But how do we consume them? When steve kills a creature, he just take the soul with him. If he would consume them, he would get stronger the more souls he gets. But he just takes the souls, and bind them on tools.
Except if... the enchantments are just pure "magical" energy, and not anymore part of something that lived.

Oh Flowerchild, you let me see how evil I am.
Thank(?) you for that.
But at least I treat my pigs wolves and cows good.

[Calcifire3691]

We don´t consume them in any, unless Fc invents the ability to eat souls for breakfeast.

Oh no, you're consuming them.

You really feel the need to be the "good guy" don't you?

Someone must be the good guy.
But how do we consume them? When steve kills a creature, he just take the soul with him. If he would consume them, he would get stronger the more souls he gets. But he just takes the souls, and bind them on tools.
Except if... the enchantments are just pure "magical" energy, and not anymore part of something that lived.

Oh Flowerchild, you let me see how evil I am.
Thank(?) you for that.
But at least I treat my pigs wolves and cows good.

who's to say he doesn't consume souls and gains magical power that can ONLY be utilized for enchantments?
(I mean, you wouldn't ask a fire mage to make you a glass of water would you?)

(also, is treating the wolves, pigs, and cows good just letting them live a lie? I'm sure to an outside observer, it would be WORSE, like a kindergarten where the sandpit has a baby sarlaac living in it. It's kinder to treat them terribly, so that they will be happy to die (actual dwarf fortress tactic, inflict PTSD on your dwarves, being emotionally dead is a great quality when it comes to bashing a tantruming friend's head in with a dead baby)

[Elevatator]

Like I said in my last sentence, I mentioned that enchantments are just pure magical energy.
But they are just converted into energy in the enchanting process, because steve drops them as XP orbs on death.

And I think that living a good live, in case of a cow running around on grass, enjoying the bright sun, and then getting slaughtered is better than just living.
You torture them in a very cruel way. They have no reasons to live, because the have nothing good in it, and they have no reason to die, because they don´t know that it could be better. Just the two breeding cows in the harnesses, that will never be killed, will be tortured forever.

[Calcifire3691]

Like I said in my last sentence, I mentioned that enchantments are just pure magical energy.
But they are just converted into energy in the enchanting process, because steve drops them as XP orbs on death.

And I think that living a good live, in case of a cow running around on grass, enjoying the bright sun, and then getting slaughtered is better than just living.
You torture them in a very cruel way. They have no reasons to live, because the have nothing good in it, and they have no reason to die, because they don´t know that it could be better. Just the two breeding cows in the harnesses, that will never be killed, will be tortured forever.

if they don't know there is better, they'll be content until they die, you're giving them false hope and tearing them away from it.
(also, the ones in the harnesses love it, look at the little hearts :D )
(plus, they do have a reason to live/die, because I need food/glue/dung/tallow/leather. they wouldn't be born if I didn't need them since they don't breed without outside assistance)
I personally subscribe to the idea that the mobs are just resource nodes with limited AI for defense and to simulate reality for steve's comfort. (and in the case of cats/wolves, defense turrets and basic attack drones)
they wander around doing nothing until they get hurt, then remove themselves from the danger (so only steve the intended recipient, can get the node), and then go back to wandering, with no sort of defense to speak of. it seems like a perfect way of keeping contents safe, a sustained form of damage would imply someone attempting to obtain contents, but a one time attack would imply environmental damage

and let's not forget the awful vanilla "canon", if everything is a game/mass dream, then the animals ARE resource nodes, or made by the player to make survival possible

[Azdoine]

So instead of enslaving them, you're consuming them? This is better?

They're obviously not being consumed, seeing as a finite amount of material is in each soul urn, yet the BD can place and remove blocks infinitely.

[CycloneSP]

No no no, they are being enslaved when trapped in a BD, and being consumed when used for enchanting. See? Big difference.

[Sarudak]

I much prefer to be a good guy...

Also you forgot to mention that Steve is immortal.