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Rosethorns wrote:I just want to make you aware also in case you weren't in the know (but you probably are) the 1.9 pre5 makes it so all 'full' blocks count as source now, that includes each block in a waterfall.

You sure about that? That would make using pistons or BDs as flood-gates fairly useless. Soon as your controlled water-flow went over an edge, it would turn into a source, and you wouldn't be able to turn it off again.

PuppetRebel wrote:Simply put, the ability to create source blocks does not negate the want/need for pumps.

I really can't see a *need* for them with source blocks. A desire perhaps, but unless I'm missing something, there's no need for them whatsoever.

Oh, I completely missed the point! I really wasn't suggesting you farm a section of the mod to someone else, I know how you feel about that - the point I missed is that you want that functionality - I read your original post on the subject that you weren't too fussed by it but you wanted to make it for other people. If it's something you want and will use, I completely understand that you will want to create and control it yourself!

And of course that belies most of the difficulty of running a segmented mod, as you will treat the whole thing as the mod, just packaged up slightly differently, rather than trying to maintain an aspect you have no interest in!

While we're on the subject of the change, just like to add that I'm a big fan of it and I can't see myself wanting to make a world without it!

I guess "need" may not be the right word, but I'm basing that mostly off of the number of these types of suggestions you get. It just seems like plenty of people want this functionality even if they don't really need it.

FlowerChild wrote:

Rosethorns wrote:I just want to make you aware also in case you weren't in the know (but you probably are) the 1.9 pre5 makes it so all 'full' blocks count as source now, that includes each block in a waterfall.

You sure about that? That would make using pistons or BDs as flood-gates fairly useless. Soon as your controlled water-flow went over an edge, it would turn into a source, and you wouldn't be able to turn it off again.

Water is back the way it was before pre4, plus:
Whenever a water source is surrounded on all sides by blocks or water (not necessarily source blocks) and it has an air block or (non source) water block below, then that air/water block turns into a water source.

I believe this means the core of a 3x3 waterfall can indeed be sourceblocks, or waterfalls in confined grooves but most should be unaffected. I can see that you could create a sourceblock anywhere you can siphon water too, but I can't see the point of that particularly as you have already got water there!

Just want to chime in with my own support for the HCB. I've now started a new world where I play with it on, and the exploration I've been "forced" to to find a place where I want to build a base (pleasant surroundings and such) and where I can build a base that's mostly above ground has been really fun. I ended up running around my new world with a stone sword gathering some of the supplies I knew I was going to need while trying to find a high up watersource that I could build an aqueduct from. Tons of fun long before I even started to build anything! :)

If you decide to split HCB and related functionality off into a separate, dependent mod, I will definitely download it. I couldn't imagine playing without it now. The only thing I'm waiting for now is a pump (and not necessarily one that moves source blocks, I would be perfectly happy with one that just creates a "full" water block that disappears as soon as the pump is off) so I can continue on my floating city.

The Atlantis project on the other hand will do just fine, I suspect... ;)

As for the people that can't be bothered to read your release notes and as such don't realize why their "buckets aren't working"... I say screw them. Though I do understand that the constant bitching on the MCF is tiring for you. The community over there (If you can call most of those people a "community" at all.) is the main reason I've yet to get into modding. That and waiting for you API, of course. ;)

Rosethorns wrote:I just want to make you aware also in case you weren't in the know (but you probably are) the 1.9 pre5 makes it so all 'full' blocks count as source now, that includes each block in a waterfall.

So Source manipulation just got much much easier :S

Jeb already announced that he will change water back to the way it was in pre4.

Elensaar wrote: As for the people that can't be bothered to read your release notes and as such don't realize why their "buckets aren't working"... I say screw them. Though I do understand that the constant bitching on the MCF is tiring for you. The community over there (If you can call most of those people a "community" at all.) is the main reason I've yet to get into modding. That and waiting for you API, of course. ;)

Well, I agree with you to some extent as I think my feelings on stupidity are pretty well known :)

But I find it really drags down the community overall to have that kind of non-stop bombardment of trivial support questions. It may have just been the MCF to start with, but I knew it was only a matter of time before it leaked over here as well.

It just sucks for everyone man...not just me. I don't think this mod needs another "why does my mill stone not work!??! I have it setup exactly like in the video!" epidemic ;)

FlowerChild wrote:And to go with the New Age, we have a new video!

This will probably be my last vid for the mod, as I'm turning over the role of official filmographer to Battosay. Wanted to make sure I went out with a bang :)

Utterly brilliant video!! :0)

Thanks for all your hard work on this mod - it really makes MC a pleasure to play again :)

FlowerChild wrote:Well, I agree with you to some extent as I think my feelings on stupidity are pretty well known :)

But I find it really drags down the community overall to have that kind of non-stop bombardment of trivial support questions. It may have just been the MCF to start with, but I knew it was only a matter of time before it leaked over here as well.

It just sucks for everyone man...not just me. I don't think this mod needs another "why does my mill stone not work!??! I have it setup exactly like in the video!" epidemic ;)

True, true. It's depressing how little people are willing to read these days... :P I won't mind if you find that extracting the HCB to a separate mod is the best solution, as long as I can still get it. ;) Still, if you keep it optional, there is some truth in that a lot of people seem to want pumps/archimedes' screws/other ways of moving water around. So maybe having them in the mod, while keeping the HCB to off by default wouldn't be that bad?

I do understand your reluctance to design around something that is purely optional. Still, as long as most of those features are still something the community at large enjoys, even though they don't need them, it might not be that "pointless"? And it could win you some (probably unwanted ;)) "goodwill" from the pump-suggesting crowds. Might cut down on the negativity, the "unwashed masses" tend to be easily pleased. ;)

FlowerChild wrote:And to go with the New Age, we have a new video!



This will probably be my last vid for the mod, as I'm turning over the role of official filmographer to Battosay. Wanted to make sure I went out with a bang :)

I love your sense of humor -SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO- much!!! xD

can't stop laughing.

So here is a small question on the whole hardcore bucket, as I have yet to be able to install the newest set of updates of BTW.

Can the piston push these non-source water blocks?

Reason I ask is I was thinking about making a piston powered water pump to supply my base with running water.

EDIT- Also, that video is fucking awesome. Period.

FarseerWraith07 wrote:So here is a small question on the whole hardcore bucket, as I have yet to be able to install the newest set of updates of BTW.

Can the piston push these non-source water blocks?

There is no new block added by the hardcore bucket. Water is still exactly the same.

FlowerChild wrote: But I find it really drags down the community overall to have that kind of non-stop bombardment of trivial support questions. It may have just been the MCF to start with, but I knew it was only a matter of time before it leaked over here as well.

It just sucks for everyone man...not just me. I don't think this mod needs another "why does my mill stone not work!??! I have it setup exactly like in the video!" epidemic ;)

I am starting to feel the same way as well with tale of kingdoms. I guess I know now why you limit your exposure in MCF. But here you are! Still going on. Thank you so much flowerchild, your mod really made my minecraft experience unique. :)

I only have one question about hardcore buckets that I haven't seen yet.

Was it intended that you could smelt infinite amounts of items in an effectively unlimited number of furnaces for free as soon as th player comes across three iron? I have a lava source near my base in a new world and I'm able to keep thirty furnaces running with no fuel expenses.

No, it wasn't. It's been mentioned to him before, he's going to fix it.

Well if the 1.9pre5 fluid mechanics are kept, that'll be true normally, as you can get infinite lava. FC might want to wait a bit to decide what his response will be.

Besides, although I haven't played with HCB yet, I think it would be quite fun to have that, and make sense in the tech tree. We already have the ability to do everything you do in the furnace without using fuel at all, through the use of cauldrons, kilns and crucibles, so unless you feel that it reduces the value of those blocks I wouldn't say it's actually too bad. Admittedly you only have to find one lava to use it, but it's certainly not an 'unlimited number of furnaces'. If you think about how far down lava normally is, you'll see that if you want furnaces in your main above ground base, you'll either have to be lucky enough to find a pool of surface lava nearby, and bring it into your base (preferably without dying in the process), or dig a very deep shaft which you have to go down and up whenever you want to power a furnace. Plus the BTW blocks also allow you to do more things, and can be made to do things faster relatively easily. They can also be fully automated.

So yes, I don't really feel that this is OP particularly, though as I say I haven't played HCB so can't tell for sure.

pi4t wrote:Well if the 1.9pre5 fluid mechanics are kept, that'll be true normally, as you can get infinite lava. FC might want to wait a bit to decide what his response will be.

As I pointed out 10 posts above yours already, water will be changed back to pre4 (no more infinite lava as well).

It 's not the ability to do it that made me wonder, it's that you can do it before even starting the tech tree with three iron and a jumble of cobble. If you needed a steel (or insulated. Hellstone dust to absorb excess heat) bucket to pick up lava without setting yourself ablaze, there would be no problem as it would require advancing through the tech tree to collect lava. The fact that you can't pour lava into an obsidian mould with HCB enabled keeps it from breaking the progression that already exists.

Necropolis wrote:No, it wasn't. It's been mentioned to him before, he's going to fix it.

Not necessarily going to "fix" it, but I am aware of it :)

Maybe... Make it so that you need to collect lava from a source block, but when placing it it will place a non-source block? Lets you keep the ability to get buckets of lava for the furnace without being able to get infinite lava or being able to set up easy infinite cobblestone generators.

LordAsteroth wrote:Maybe... Make it so that you need to collect lava from a source block, but when placing it it will place a non-source block? Lets you keep the ability to get buckets of lava for the furnace without being able to get infinite lava or being able to set up easy infinite cobblestone generators.

I will now refer you to the suggestion sub-forum...which I try to avoid reading.

The hardcore bucket setting really makes the generated villages with a forge a pretty convenient starting base, with the lava and two furnaces right there next to each-other; and the center well makes for some good underground workrooms with an at-hand pillar of water (not to mention the existing farms).

I knew there was something I forgot to do this release. Well, you know the drill. Or I do. Or something. SPOILERTAG NO JUTSU
Oh well. Figure this might make up for me not being here these past few days...I got caught up reading harry potter fanfiction.

Seriously.

Stormweaver wrote: Oh well. Figure this might make up for me not being here these past few days...I got caught up reading harry potter fanfiction.

Seriously.

First, your edits are very much appreciated. Secondly, I'll stick with first :)

FlowerChild wrote:First, your edits are very much appreciated. Secondly, I'll stick with first :)

Well he showed you;-)